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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Norrin Ellis wrote:Sentries are fine in specific range bands, but large drones are often the preferred general purpose weapon. I send them after that battleship orbiting me at 50 km. Yeah, don't do that. There is absolutely no reason to ever use heavies against anything other than close-orbiting battleships (eg. Angels and the occasional Merc). Sentries will always be a better choice against anything else GÇö hell, with the right mods and a bit of manoeuvring, they're the right choice for those close-quarter targets as well. Depending on how strictly they adhere to this new logic (I haven't had the opportunity to test it yet), it will make it silly easy to kill frigates GÇö just send the wrong drone after them and bloat their sigs or slow them down and they'll go pop soon enough.
Have to agree here.
Sentries attract far less aggro, can be recalled instantly and can be used in almost all situation to hit the battleship sized rats. Using a decent faction web and Tech 2 Bouncers I can still hit angels orbiting at 6-10km.
The drop in tracking from Bouncer II to Bouncer I is significant though so having sentry drone interfacing to 5 is basically essential now. |
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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:37:00 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:For those of you who simply say sentries are the one-size-fits-all solution, please explain to me why CCP shouldn't just remove heavies from the game rather than make complicated AI changes? I mean, if heavies are useless or terribly inefficient pre-nerf and post-nerf, yet sentries are just perfect pre-nerf and post-nerf, wouldn't removing the heavies be the most rational solution?
As for putting a web on a drone boat to make the sentries work in certain situations, I've already addressed that. I use a variety of drones so that I don't have to waste slots on things like webs.
Basically because heavies are still useful for PVP situations.
As for not wanting to use a web... well, I can understand that but a solution is a solution even if you don't like it. |
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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:39:00 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:Tippia, I think you missed the part where I said I play for fun, not for max efficiency. This is not my job. It is a game I enjoy. I enjoyed using all of my drones prior to the nerf. Again, if sentries are--and have always been--the one-size-fits-all solution, why have the other drones in the game?
For P. V. P. |
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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:44:00 -
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Clith wrote:How can you enjoy using drones? They have the second worst interface in Eve (Pos management being the worst) which makes trying to use them horrible
Difficult to argue with that. If the interface updated a bit quicker it would help but yes, all the right clicking is a chore. |
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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:51:00 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:Complex Potential wrote:Norrin Ellis wrote:Tippia, I think you missed the part where I said I play for fun, not for max efficiency. This is not my job. It is a game I enjoy. I enjoyed using all of my drones prior to the nerf. Again, if sentries are--and have always been--the one-size-fits-all solution, why have the other drones in the game? For P. V. P. Surely, another weapon is better in PvP than heavy drones, as well, so everyone should just use that instead of heavy drones. You see, the logic applies pretty much across the spectrum. If you advance the argument of "just use x because it is better than y," then you are saying that cookie-cutter, flavor-of-the-month play is the only way to go. Ergo, the only thing available should really just be the cookie-cutter, flavor-of-the-month equipment, so everyone will use the most efficient system, and no one will ever be upset when their preferred mode of [perhaps inefficient] fun is nerfed into uselessness in a particular corner of the sandbox.
I suppose because I am so heavily specced into Gallente. My skill plan for the next 4 months involves training up projectile weapons and Minmatar ships for PVP at which point I may well abandon drone boats entirely for PVP purposes.
On the flipside though, something like the Dominix armed with a full rack of Neutron Blaster IIs and 5 Ogre IIs can push out 1400dps and still field a half decent tank. A non drone boat would be hugely more expensive to achieve the same stats. |
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Posted - 2012.12.19 14:10:00 -
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NPCs will now only target drones in their size category.
Gùª Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above.
Gùª Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above.
Gùª Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.
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I haven't had a chance to look at this yet but if it means that only battleships are going to target large drones then large drones should survive longer since BS NPCs will have a tough job hitting them.
I am unsure if this means that sentries will become a bigger target or not.
This is a bit frustrating given that the changes appear to be happening quicker than I can adapt to them. |
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Posted - 2012.12.26 10:27:00 -
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As a drone boat pilot my method of "adapting" was to train Sentry Drone Interfacing 5 and look into tactics for using sentry drones, and it just finished 
Admittedly a 25 day training was quite annoying but now that it's done I can't believe how good they are.
I used to rat angels with Berserker IIs as they had far higher dps than tech 1 bouncers which always took ages to kill anything. But Tech 2 bouncers can do the same amount of dps as Berserker IIs from anything up to 100km and eliminates travel time.
What initially seemed like a nerf has actually forced me to look at something I'd never previously considered and I reckon I rat about 20-30% faster now.
The only problem is if the rats get too close but I changed my AB for a Micro Jump Drive and that has basically dealt with that issue. Personally I'm quite happy now. |
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